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Re: Mauve license
- From: David Gilbert <david dot gilbert at object-refinery dot com>
- To: Stuart Ballard <stuart dot a dot ballard at gmail dot com>
- Cc: GNU Classpath <classpath at gnu dot org>, mauve-discuss at sourceware dot org
- Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 16:41:00 +0000
- Subject: Re: Mauve license
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Stuart Ballard wrote:
(including the Classpath list as well as Mauve list here as I don't
know how many people actually read the mauve list)
Recently on the Harmony list there's been some discussion of how tests
should be written and where they should be put. I chimed in pointing
out what I thought would be a no-brainer - tests for public APIs
should be in Mauve of course.
Free to use, free to redistribute, and since you'll never want to
combine Mauve with anything else, I can't see why the GPL is considered
I only just made that post and I haven't seen the responses yet, but
it occurred to me to look and see what Mauve's license is just to make
sure that wouldn't be a showstopper, and, well, as I'm sure many of
you know, it's GPL.
This is slightly strange to me. We (the Free Software community) are
forced to make our own test suite because Sun won't release theirs
under terms we can use, but when we do write our own, we put it under
a license that prevents even other Free Software projects from working
with it. Our test suite is under a stronger copyleft than Classpath
I understand why we want Classpath itself to be copyleft. But what on
earth benefit are we getting from preventing people from
"proprietarizing" our testsuite?
My understanding is that a license change could be difficult to effectI think a more significant "problem" is practical: Mauve, which
predates JUnit, uses its own test harness and Harmony is using JUnit.
Integrating the two is a pile of work that you're not going to find
anyone willing to spend time on. I think we should just accept that
there are going to be two separate test suites, that will overlap in
some places. It's not that big a deal in the scheme of things.
at this point because I don't think a copyright assignment has been
required for Mauve contributions and therefore there are probably a
lot of copyright holders, some of whom may be difficult to track down.
But if it *could* be managed (and if the Harmony hackers could be
persuaded to put their tests there), I think it would be a major win
We have those tests now, just in separate places.
Mauve gets a bunch of new contributors (Harmony certainly seems to
have a fair bit of momentum at this point) and code (I believe some of
Harmony's big contributions came with test suites that could be
Classpath and Harmony both get a bunch of new tests.