Re: [PATCH] locales: ay_PE: rename Aymara locale

[Mike Frysinger <vapier at gentoo dot org>]

On 20 Feb 2016 13:56, Paul Eggert wrote:
> In this case, I expect that Andreas's point is that ISO 639-2 has the following 
> entries:
> 
> ayc - Southern (Altiplano) Aymara, sometimes called "Aymara" in English
> ayr - Central Aymara -- Jaqaru and (now nearly extinct) Kawki
> aym - inclusive code for both ayc and ayr

ISO 639-2 doesn't have ayc or ayr, it only has aym (which is the same as ay):
	https://www.loc.gov/standards/iso639-2/php/English_list.php
Aymara	Aymara	aymara	aym	ay
	https://www.loc.gov/standards/iso639-2/php/code_list.php
aym	ay	Aymara	aymara	AymarÃ-Sprache

ISO 639-3 has ayc & ayr, and i guess there it has reclassified aym/ay as a
macrolanguage/parent to ayc & ayr rather than a language by itself:
	http://www-01.sil.org/iso639-3/codes.asp
aym	aym	ay	Aymara	Macrolanguage	Living
ayc			Southern Aymara	Individual	Living
ayr			Central Aymara	Individual	Living

if we're looking at ISO 639-3, it also has a separate jqr:
	http://www-01.sil.org/iso639-3/codes.asp?letter=j
jqr			Jaqaru	Individual	Living

same goes for Ethnologue:
	https://www.ethnologue.com/language/aym
	https://www.ethnologue.com/language/ayc
	https://www.ethnologue.com/language/ayr
	https://www.ethnologue.com/language/jqr

> In contrast, ISO 639-1 has just "ay", corresponding to ISO 639-2's "aym". So 
> could you explain why is it technically correct to replace "ayc" with "ay"?

as i mentioned elsewhere in this thread, i was only looking at ISO 639-2,
and that only has ay.  but what really got me looking was the CLDR:
 - ay - it uses this everywhere
 - aym - it lists it as an alias to ay
 - ayr - listed as deprecated
 - ayc - not mentioned anywhere at all

when we've named locales, we've largely used the ISO 639-1/2 two letter
codes.  since those only have ay, and CLDR doesn't cover ayc at all, i'm
lead to conclude the ayc should really be ay for our needs.

looking at the wikipedia page indicates that Aymara as spoken across Peru
and Bolivia implies they use many of the same words and the distinction
is more along territory than linguistic lines:
	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aymara_language

having it be ay_PE means we align w/the CLDR and details can be imported
easily.  it also means we can set up ay_BO and be fairly correct -- or at
the very least, it would be more correct than what ay/ayr users have now:
english (or spanish) only.  it's easy to set up aliases for ayc_PE->ay_PE
and ayr_BO->ay_BO so people can have sep translations when needed.

> Some background: "ayc" has about 2 million speakers; "ayr" has about 700.

that's not what the above Ethnologue links say.  they state:
	ayc: 220 k
	ayr: 2 mil
	jqr: 700

> "aym" 
> doesn't have an universally agreed-upon name in English; some call it "Aymaran", 
> some "Aymara", some "Jaqi", and some "Aru". There is opportunity for confusion 
> here, due to the multiple meanings of the English word "Aymara".

the standards bodies seem to use Aymara pretty much everywhere so far.
-mike

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