Re: short day translations vs cldr entries

[Mike Frysinger <vapier at gentoo dot org>]

On 10 Feb 2016 01:18, keld@keldix.com wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 09, 2016 at 02:53:02AM -0500, Mike Frysinger wrote:
> > should glibc localedata conform entirely to what is in cldr ?
> > some examples of why i ask this:
> > 
> > German languages in glibc use:
> >   Son;Mon;Die;Mit;Don;Fre;Sam
> > but the CLDR uses:
> >   So;Mo;Di;Mi;Do;Fr;Sa
> > 
> > Spanish languages in glibc use:
> >   dom;lun;mar;miÃ;jue;vie;sÃb
> > but the CLDR uses:
> >   dom.;lun.;mar.;miÃ.;jue.;vie.;sÃb.
> > this can be seen in a bunch of languages too like French
> > 
> > these aren't just in the day/format/abbreviated section where
> > having a trailing period makes sense -- the day/stand-alone/
> > abbreviated translations also have a trailing period.
> > 
> > attached is my full update for days/months to cldr.  i've compressed
> > it to avoid the spam filter on the mailing lists from rejecting it.
> 
> I was the one who originally wrote the locales, partly as part of a CEN
> exercise - the European Standards Institute.
> 
> The design principles were that these were specs for posix locales, 
> to replace the POSIX/C locale, and for use with POSIX  utilities 
> like ls, and logging etc.  As the POSIX locale used 3 letters for the
> month and day names, the other language specs were also 3 letters for
> these abbreviations. If you wanted 2 letter names eg for sy names, you could
> just write the first 2 letters of the string. This even goes for English
> Su,Mo,Tu,We,Th,Fr,Sa.
> 
> Then entered the language experts, and they asked for dots for abbreviations
> and unequal langth of the abbreviations, which made logs look strange.
> 
> And CLDR is not made for POSIX, on the contrary CLDR was made to take over
> the posix work, killing ISO 14652 and the ISO equivalent of CLDR - ISO 15897
> in the process. They more or less succeeded.
> 
> So that is my 2 cents for design: keep the POSIX style abbreviations.
> That is what the abbreviations were designed for, and that is
> probablly where they are used even today.

we don't have people to verify existing ones or write new ones.  so what
do you propose we do ?  there are many more locales listed in the cldr db
that we do not have today -- about ~510 vs ~320.
-mike

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