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Re: [PATCHv3 00/24] ILP32 support in ARM64
- From: "H.J. Lu" <hjl dot tools at gmail dot com>
- To: Rich Felker <dalias at libc dot org>
- Cc: Catalin Marinas <catalin dot marinas at arm dot com>, Andrew Pinski <apinski at cavium dot com>, "linux-arm-kernel at lists dot infradead dot org" <linux-arm-kernel at lists dot infradead dot org>, LKML <linux-kernel at vger dot kernel dot org>, Andrew Pinski <pinskia at gmail dot com>, musl at lists dot openwall dot com, GNU C Library <libc-alpha at sourceware dot org>
- Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2015 11:34:23 -0800
- Subject: Re: [PATCHv3 00/24] ILP32 support in ARM64
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On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 11:25 AM, Rich Felker <dalias@libc.org> wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 11:16:58AM -0800, H.J. Lu wrote:
>> >> > I don't know if this has been discussed on libc-alpha yet or not, but
>> >> > I think we need to open a discussion of how it relates to open glibc
>> >> > bug #16437, which presently applies only to x32 (ILP32 ABI on x86_64):
>> >> >
>> >> > https://sourceware.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=16437
>> >>
>> >> Please leave x32 out of this discussion. I have resolved this bug
>> >> as WONTFIX.
>> >
>> > From the glibc side, I thought things went by a consensus process
>> > these days, not the old WONTFIX regime of he who shall not be named.
>> > If this is not fixed for x32, then x32 cannot provide a conforming C
>> > environment and thus it's rather a toy target. But I think we should
>> > discuss this on libc-alpha. In the mean time please leave it REOPENED.
>>
>> As I said in PR, the issue has been raised in Mar, 2012 when the
>> x32 port was submitted. It has been decided that x32 won't conform
>> to tv_nsec, blksize_t, and suseconds_t as long. I don't believe we
>> will change them to conform to POSIX.
>
> I briefly reviewed that discussion and I think the decision made was
> about an obscure POSIX requirement about supporting at least one
> compilation environment where certain types have rank <= long. This is
The example you gave in PR is similar to
https://sourceware.org/ml/libc-alpha/2012-03/msg00456.html
> trivially satisfied if you consider x32 and x86_64 separate
> compilation environments, but it's not related to the core issue: that
> the definition of timespec violates core (not obscure) requirements of
> both POSIX and C11. At the time you were probably unaware of the C11
> requirement. Note that it's a LOT harder to effect change in the C
> standard, so even if the Austin Group would be amenable to changing
> the requirement for timespec to allow something like nseconds_t,
> getting WG14 to make this change to work around a Linux/glibc mistake
> does not sound practical.
That is very unfortunate. I consider it is too late for x32 to change.
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H.J.