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As far as Guile's size is concerned: What we're trying to address here is not really a technical issue. It's more of a psychological one: developers will hesitate to include Guile in their applications if they feel, on a gut level, that it's too large. There are two ways around this, that I see: 1) Partition Guile, to separate the essential from the inessential. This makes it easier for people to see what they're really paying for, and to buy in only as much as they want, and to gradually increase their buy-in over time. 2) Give Guile features they want to use, regardless of its size. Tk plays this role for Tcl.