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Re: DocBook and DITA
- From: Nancy P Harrison <nancyph at us dot ibm dot com>
- To: "Rajal Shah" <rajal at meshsoftware dot com>
- Cc: docbook at lists dot oasis-open dot org
- Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2005 06:54:11 -0400
- Subject: Re: DocBook and DITA
- Reply-to: Nancy_P_Harrison/Lexington/IBM <nancyph at us dot ibm dot com>
[In the interest of full disclosure, it should be noted that the writer is
on both the DocBook and the DITA TCs at OASIS, was involved in the
original DocBook development, and is currently one of the DITA architects
While I wasn't at the CMS conference, I'm sorry, and a bit surprised, to
hear that you came away with the impressions you describe. My responses
to your questions are below; I hope they're useful.
"Rajal Shah" <email@example.com> wrote on 04/15/2005 12:57:00 PM:
> I was amazed and frustrated to hear people downplaying Docbook over
> DITA at a conference I attended this week on XML documentation and CMS.
> I figure this group would be the ideal place to pose this question:
> 1. What is the opinion on DITA?
As someone involved with both DITA and DocBook, and having used both, I
don't see incompatibility between them. Rather, I see two XML-based
architectures developed independently to meet different objectives.
DocBook was developed to meet the needs of technical book publishers, for
information designed around a hierarchical and linear model, hence the
'book' part of the name.
DITA, on the other hand, was designed around a topic-based, authoring
model focused on reuse of information at the topic level.
So, if you're authoring a book, with the book structure that implies,
you're probably going to want to use DocBook; it supports a complete
processing tool stream for authoring and publishing books in multiple
If you're authoring topic-based information centers, especially where you
need to reuse and reorganize your information for different audiences or
information subsets, DITA is a better fit for that; it was designed for
that use. And if you have a need to extend the information models to meet
your specific purposes, DITA is also designed to enable that, while
allowing reuse of your processing stream.
> 2. Does DITA share inline elements at least with Docbook? (para,
> bullets etc.) What is the point in redefining those in DITA again if
> they were already done in DOCBOOK and since both of these standards
> are part of OASIS.
Many of the DITA inline element names were derived from the corresponding
elements in HTML rather than DocBook; HTML is a standard familiar to a
very large number of authors, and this reuse of HTML tags allows for an
easier learning curve for authors going from HTML to DITA authoring.
The DITA community is interested in getting XSLT transforms created
between DITA and DocBook, to enable interoperability of content created in
either format. With good transforms, there could be some very useful
'hybrid' solutions; for example, maintaining a book's front matter and
back matter in DocBook, while populating the body of the book, or even the
body of individual chapters, with DITA topics nested and sequenced via a
> 3. DITA has this inheritance concept and base their stylesheet
> templates of the class attribute instead of the element name in the
> source.. That way you can share the XSl and XSL-FO of the parent
> element even if you customize/specialize the class. That does sound
> like a good concept.. What do people think about it? Does DOCBOOK
> have anything similar to it?
DocBook does not have anything similar to this. If you customize DocBook
by adding - or changing the names of - elements, you need to customize
your processing to get your changes processed. If your customizations are
changes to attribute names or values, the standard DocBook processing may
work, depending on the kinds of changes you make.
> 4. DITA has limited support for XSDs and no suppport for RelaxNG..
> They are still in the DTD world. I've initiated the schema
> technology thread a couple of months back on this mailing list and
> we all universally agreed that DOCBOOK recommends the newer
> technologies.. DITA was strongly advocating just the opposite at the
> conference.. Any comments?
I'm sorry to hear that you came from the conference with a 'DITA is
anti-schema' impression. DITA has full support for schemas, and the Open
DITA toolkit (available from http://sourceforge.net/projects/dita-ot/)
contains both DTD and XSD implementations of the DITA architecture.
Hopefully, there will even better schema support soon. Recognizing the
growing importance of schemas relative to DTDs, the DITA community is
hoping to add RelaxNG support to the toolkit in the near future, as well
as examples of document instances using both XSD and RelaxNG schemas.
IBM Rational Software