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RE: Is perl-5.8.2 canonized for use on cygwin yet?

I saw your email address on your work and assumed you
took an interest in supporting it.  Mea culpa.

"Hey, that's what you get for putting them in there," 
was a josh about just the sort of complaint you replied 
with.  I saw you coming, and warned you, but you showed 
up anyway.  Tua culpa.

You are correct.  You were the exception, and I did not 
intend to include the others in my assessment of the 
whining.  They were instead silent; "not helpful."

I didn't tell you not to put your name on your work, 
nor to take others' names off work you revised.  I said 
don't whine when you get email after putting your email 
address on a product document, and take your email 
address off the document or change it if you don't want
email on that subject via that address.

Finally, as I've already told you, one of the darkest 
days in the history of software development was the day 
some tool discovered he could commit politics in lieu 
of support.

I hope everyone understands my meaning now.	  I'm going
to go see if what Yitzchak said knocks any clues loose
from the build messages.


P.S.  I'm on the list; you don't have to CC me, too.

-----Original Message-----
From: Charles Wilson []
Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 11:32 PM
To: Blair P. Houghton;
Subject: Re: Is perl-5.8.2 canonized for use on cygwin yet?

Blair P. Houghton wrote:

> The people who were crazy enough to leave their email 
> addresses in perl's cygwin installation docs aren't 
> being helpful (unless you call reflexive BOFH-grade 
> whining helpful).  You'd think they'd understand not to 
> make themselves available as POC if they're not POC. 
> Go figure.

In response to a (private) "request" for help that included the polite 
statement: "I got your names out of .  Hey, that's what 
you get for putting them in there." I (privately [*]) wrote the 
following "BOFH-grade whining":

> None of us (with the exception of Gerrit) have had anything to do with
> perl since before 5.6.0.  And even Gerrit probably doesn't appreciate
> getting cygwin-related email in his personal box.
> Please keep cygwin-related question on the cygwin mailing list.
>  Gerrit is the current maintainer, reads the list,
> and is (one of) the most qualified to answer questions about the current
> perl distributions on cygwin.  And if he doesn't know, somebody else on
> the list will.

[*] well, restricted to the list of previous recipients

Mr. Houghton, there is a difference between a POC and a historical 
record of major contributors.  As with most projects, new contributors 
perl's cygwin port are loath to remove the record of their predecessors, 
and simply append their name to the existing list.  Meanwhile, the 
earlier contributors have almost certainly moved on.

I was perfectly content to ignore this, but I couldn't allow you to 
accuse Eric, alex, Steven, Sebastien, and Teun of whining and 
unhelpfulness.  Unless you got other emails on which I was not CC'ed, 
blame ME not them for any "whining" you believe is represented by the 
above text. (Gerrit is around and can defend himself, and I really don't 
care what you say or think about me.)

Gerrit: I suggest that you edit the README.cygwin file, leaving in the 
names of the contributors (hell, delete mine if you want) and eliminate 
all email addresses except, so we don't need to go 
thru this exercise again.

End of my contributions to this thread.


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