Re: [packages] gtk+, glib, imlib

[Nicholas Wourms <nwourms at yahoo dot com>]

--- Jehan <nahor@bravobrava.com> wrote:
> Nicholas Wourms wrote:
> Tho I can't quite understand
> > what this driving desire for a rootless X server is all about?  To my
> > death, I'll never understand why people like the explorer window
> manager
> > over the X alternatives.  I mean c'mon people, Windows Explorer as a
> > window manager sucks.  Why would you want it to manage your X
> > applications?
> 
> Maybe *you* prefer KDE, OpenStep, whatever over Windows but that doesn't
> 
> mean *everybody* does. As a window manager, Windows does perfectly well 
> for me: I can move my windows around, I can resize them, minimize them 
> and even maximize them. I like the taskbar (and everybody does since now
> 
> every desktop system has it), I like the systray, I like the quicklaunch
> 
> bar and the Start menu is as much a mess in Windows than in KDE.
> 
> Now, having an alternative would be nice, that's for sure. As my boss is
> 
> fond of saying: "two is better than one". If you want to remove Windows 
> Explorer, go check Shellfront (http://shellfront.org/). But you will 
> never see Notepad running in an X window. Cygwin works *on top of* 
> Windows, not the other way around. Cygwin *add* a unix layer to Windows,
> 
> it doesn't *replace* Windows. If you really want that, if you really 
> want your All-X desktop, go install Linux and run your Windows 
> applications using Wine.
> 
> 
> > I don't know about most people, but I like the current way
> > X works, in fact I like the full screen even better.  
> 
> Why do you think windowing systems took over most software applications?
> 
> I like being able to see the content of two applications at the same 
> time. Like for instance when I follow a tutorial on a web browser on how
> 
> to create a map for Quake. Or when I want to use a complex funtion in my
> 
> program, I want to be able to see MSDN at the same time I use my code. 
> Now, if I use vi/emacs/whatever in X, I can't see any of those 
> broswer/msdn windows at the same time if the application if fullscreen. 
> What's worse, if the browser/msdn is the active application and I want 
> to activate a X application, I first have to click on the X button in 
> the taskbar to activate XWin, then I have to activate the X application 
> itself. If I can see each X application with its own button in my 
> taskbar, and when I click on it I have this X app showing *next to* 
> instead of *on top of* my Visual Studio window, I would be far more
> happy.
> 
> 
> > In fact I wish there
> > was a way to do the opposite of running X in rootless mode.  If there
> were
> > only a way to get windows binaries to pop up inside X, then I could
> just
> > ditch this crummy explorer windows manager and use X full time.
> 
> See my comment above about Linux and Wine.

So?  Your point?  I don't want to run linux on this machine.  My question
above was partially a joke and partially a rhetorical one.  I don't need
to be lectured on the joy and simplicity of the explorer interface (tho
neither seem to apply).  Let's not turn this into a Microsoft lovefest. 
My point was that Rootless mode is a fluff setting, something that really
isn't that important.  Perhaps a better use of time could be spent
figuring out how to profile and improve the performance of the X server? 
Or perhaps making truetype fonts easier for people to use in X?

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